A blog by Luke Akehurst about politics, elections, and the Labour Party - With subtitles for the Hard of Left. Just for the record: all the views expressed here are entirely personal and do not necessarily represent the positions of any organisations I am a member of.

Thursday, November 27, 2008

The sound of whining Tories

It's generally accepted that the House of Commons has a robust style where heckling and barracking is part of the tradition. It was to preserve this intensity of atmosphere, where the mood of the House can make and break political careers (anyone remember Thatcher's anointed successor Health Secretary John Moore, whose career floundered because he got a sore throat and was too easily drowned out by chattering Labour backbenchers? - no, thought not) , that Churchill insisted a small, intimate chamber was rebuilt after the original was bombed in WW2.

George Osborne doesn't seem to be able to cope with a bit of cross-chamber banter - to the extent that he has clearly been whinging to his friends in the press, whose complaints have been echoed by Guido.

Diddums. Is George really cut out for high office if he gets upset about "heckling" from Ian Lucas (one of the mildest mannered and decent MPs I know); naughty Labour MPs outrageously "trying to get him to give way so that they could make interventions" ; the revelation that Mark Tami "chuckled" (what an anti-democratic outrage!); and the facts that Ian Austin "leaned back" (how can you intimate someone by leaning back?) and that Nick Brown "oozed satisfaction"?

Apparently it's now an outrage for Government Whips to do their job by being in the chamber coordinating the Government ranks.

If the House had any respect for Osborne it would hear him out. You can't imagine Ken Clarke being heckled - or caring or complaining to the press if he was. He'd shout right back.

The House has lost respect for Osborne as a person and for his policies, and he has lost the ability to command it.

Time to find a new role more suited to his sensitive nature I think.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

The really funny thing about this is that it was only on Tuesday that Guido was (rightly) ridiculing a Labour MP for complaining about Tory MPs packing the chamber.

Now, suddenly, MPs in the Chamber is an abuse of parliament. One or the other, eh, Guido?

3:55 pm, November 27, 2008

Blogger Guido Fawkes said...

My complaint is primarily against the whipping system which I think is (a) anti-democratic (b) not something that should be paid for by taxpayers.

But there is something unsavoury about the way the Labour whips in particular behave since Nick Brown has taken over. Not exactly democracy at its finest is it?

4:10 pm, November 27, 2008

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Guido, do you honestly believe that the packing of Tories into the Chamber the other day was not organised by the Tory whips? Of course you don't. You're not that gullible. And yet you praised that as "MPs doing their job", while attacking the Labour whips for doing the same thing. Odd, that.

4:23 pm, November 27, 2008

Anonymous Anonymous said...

(By the way, Guido, opposition whips receive an additional salary from the taxpayer, too.)

4:37 pm, November 27, 2008

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Guido shown up once again. Bang in the back of the net.

What an oaf LOL.

The tory backbenchers were laughing too.

I agree that heckling, and yobbish behaviour should be banned in the commons, but the tories do it too so you have no consistency. You do not care about that.

Guido is just mad though no consistency. His view is let the tories goad and heckle but not anyone else. What kind of bizzare morality is that.

Osbourne is not helped by this though as bloody politicans are like sharks and smell blood. He will get more and more heckling now.

I think Guido has just accidentially fired a few more torpedoes at the politcial career of Osbornes yacht.

I do not think Osborne will be be fired as that would damage the tories even more than keeping him.

4:45 pm, November 27, 2008

Blogger Guido Fawkes said...

Of course it was organised by the whips.

What you lot don't seem to grasp is I think the Tories are cunts for taking £1m from the taxpayers in the form of short money.

There are two issues here taxpayers paying for partisan organisation and the whipping system itself.

8:15 pm, November 27, 2008

Blogger Luke Akehurst said...

I think it's legitimate to have paid ministers whose task it is to ensure that the legislative programme arising from the manifesto a government is elected on gets passed - i.e. whips. If the MPs holding those posts incidentally choose to be a bit robust in their behaviour towards opposition speakers in the chamber, they are just as entitled to do that as any other MP.

Whips basically make sure that the democratic mandate bestowed in general elections is reflected in the way the legislature votes.

10:10 pm, November 27, 2008

Blogger Mark Still News said...

The Tories don't belong to this Century!

Lets not squabble amongst CLP's or Socialist sister parties-but get these Tories back to the last Century!

10:21 pm, November 27, 2008

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sub Judice of course but it would sppear that Damian Green the Conservative Member for Ashford (Kent) has had his collar felt by Plod.

It is not for me or thee to coment on Greens inocence or guilt but I see that Cameron is prepared to coment on matters well before any charges or trial.

Any chance of Cameron being tried for contempt of court ?


10:58 pm, November 27, 2008

Blogger Merseymike said...

Osborne is a wanker, basically

And the Tories have no right to whinge.

11:06 pm, November 27, 2008

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I object to the following comment:

Merseymike said...

"Osborne is a wanker, basically"

Wanking is a bona fide activity that brings pleasure to millions.

Osborne, on the other hand . . . .

6:32 am, November 28, 2008

Blogger Ben said...

The atmosphere in the Chamber is disgraceful. It encourages partisan politics, it harms the standard of debate and it cannot help the public take our system of democracy seriously.

1:08 pm, November 28, 2008

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Much as I detest the Tories, to describe Ian Lucas as anything but an ambitious but niggly, petty little ar$ewipe is way off the mark.

2:17 pm, November 28, 2008


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