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Thursday, May 27, 2010

Dennis Skinner on the Lib Dems

20 Comments:

Blogger alastair said...

Is this the same Dennis Skinner who lives in Carlisle Square in Chelsea!?

Gosh representing a mining community up North must pay well.

7:06 pm, May 27, 2010

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A few years ago people used to laugh with him now they just laugh at this saddo.

Just reminds everyone of class hatred and Old Labour,absolutely pathetic in 2010

7:30 pm, May 27, 2010

 
Anonymous Justin Hinchcliffe said...

Is this the best you can do, Luke? Skinner is a disgrace to his constituents, the Labour Party and to Parliament. Does he ever do or say anything constructive? Alastair makes a good point - and there's his massive pension, too

8:32 pm, May 27, 2010

 
Anonymous Junius said...

Cretinous old socialist blames new Government for cleaning up the economic disaster left by his own.

The epitome of braindead Labour hypocrisy!

10:52 pm, May 27, 2010

 
Blogger Wilfred said...

Much horrified squealing that the Labour Party has expelled Suzanne Moore for nothing more than, oh, standing for Parliament against the Labour Party candidate, specifically against Diane Abbott. And do you know, she has been expelled by post! I mean, don't they know who she is? Shouldn't there have been, like, a tribunal or something? No, dears. That's not how it works. Even if it did, what do you think that that tribunal would have said?

Lucky Suzanne Moore. I warmly welcome her to the club. Now she get on with politics, to which the Labour Party, as for some reason it still calls itself, is some hideous cross between an irrelevance and a positive hindrance. Just ask David Lammy. He has little or no political ground in common with - it's her again - Diane Abbott. But he has nominated her for Leader. Indeed, he is the only MP to have done so. Apparently, there has to be a woman on the ballot. Any woman, regardless of her views.

You are better off out of it, Ms Moore. We all are.

12:53 am, May 28, 2010

 
Anonymous Manzil said...

Well, yes. Political parties do tend to frown upon people standing against their candidates, even those horrid types in the Labour Party.

I'm sure Suzanne Moore can carry on living the good life writing for the fucking Mail.

Anyway. Good on Skinner. Apparently Laws mouthed to him to piss off after that attack - he must've hit a nerve!

2:18 am, May 28, 2010

 
Anonymous Rich said...

But what he said is so true. The lib dems can't escape what they promised and they will pay at the next election for it.

By the time this government has finished I doubt many of us will still be in work. If they cut 30 billion in the next two years as suggested this country will sink and plunge into civil unrest.

The banks should be paying for this mess not the workers.

7:50 am, May 28, 2010

 
Anonymous Rich said...

The debt isn't labours mess, the mess was created by the banks and not by public expenditure. Yes brown should have regulated the banks but the Tories didn't want any regulation, so it would have been worse under the Tories.

Yes we can and should cut waste but most of the waste refers to private sector contracts and consultancy. Such cuts are Therefore going to kill off private sector growth.

The lib dems should be ashamed

7:58 am, May 28, 2010

 
Blogger Merseymike said...

No matter whether you agree with his views or not, to suggest that Dennis skinner is anything other than utterly committed to the constituency he represents or is anything other than an extremely diligent parliamentarian is ridiculous. Its well established across the House that he works exceptionally hard.

5:00 pm, May 28, 2010

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Skinner is not as good as people think. He voted for ID cards and for increased detention powers for terrorist suspects. He also repeatedly voted against an inquiry into the Iraq war.

He voted against a fully elected House of Lords and he also voted to allow the government to intervene in inquests.

In many cases, he has supported policies from a Labour government which he would, quite correctly,
denounce if they came from the
Conservatives.

He supported striking miners and waterworkers when the Conservative party was in power but, please correct me if I am wrong, has not done the same for workers striking under a Labour government.

He also used to praise Blair a great deal.

5:23 pm, May 28, 2010

 
Anonymous Ryan said...

Anonymous - you make some pretty lofty charges that are quite ridiculous.

To name just one flaw in your charge sheet, he voted against a fully-elected House of Lords because he wants the whole second chamber abolished. You probably feel very clever looking up his voting record on "They Work For You" but some nuanced understanding of the context behind the votes is always a good idea.

He has also consistently supported striking workers - where is your evidence that he hasn't? The man is almost 80 and has achieved more for the labour movement in his lifetime than you ever will - I think we can forgive him not being on every picket line.

Finally, it is commonly known that Skinner is one of the hardest-working MPs in the House, both in terms of his legwork on the ground in Bolsover and his attendance in House debates and votes. Do your research before you speak ill of someone in such an scornful manner.

6:07 pm, May 28, 2010

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"has achieved more for the labour movement in his lifetime than you ever will"

What has Dennis Skinner ever achieved for anyone, except his own ego? He's just a poor man's Tam Dalyell, and Robin Day's assessment of him was right.

6:59 pm, May 28, 2010

 
Anonymous Ryan said...

"What has Dennis Skinner ever achieved for anyone, except his own ego? He's just a poor man's Tam Dalyell, and Robin Day's assessment of him was right."

What garbage. Skinner is respected across the labour movement because of his unfailing dedication to the Labour Party and to the betterment of the working class. He's also respected across the House as an outstanding Commons performer. He's also greatly respected by his Bolsover constituents.

Evidently, then, the respect he has gained is not shared by the likes of you. Is there some information you are privy to that the rest of the labour movement has not yet discovered? Please, sage, enlighten us.

10:01 pm, May 28, 2010

 
Anonymous Dirty Euro said...

Dennis Skinner is right to makes speeches against the tory party.
Also I do not see why tories criticise him for living in Cheksea when loads of other tories live in such places.
I think labour are being a bit weak at present.
They are spending most of their time talking about themselves than the tories.
Surely the purpose of long leadership contest was too see who would be best in opposition at attacking the tories.
The tories would like nothing more than the party to spend the next 3 years talking to itself.
Is that not what the party did in the early 80s.

11:32 pm, May 28, 2010

 
Anonymous Dirty Euro said...

The right always try to claim that a low taxes for the rich, high taxes for the poor economy, is grown up economics and all other ideas are commie immature naivety.
They always claim VAT has to go up and the top rate of income tax has to come down to ensure rich people stay here.
Well!
Greece has VAT tax rates of 23% Higher than us.
Greece has a Income tax top rate 40%
Bottom rate 27%
So the rich pay the same rate of income tax as Thacher put in place in the UK. While the poor pay higher taxes than even we do.

So in other words an economy of Greece with an even more right wing redistributive unchristian system of taxation than us.
Now what has the Greek system produced?
A right wing basket case.
About to start the second great depression, destroy the entire global economy.
Does this not show that right wing economics is not inevitable and is not the best way to ensure growth and a strong economy. If it worked then Greece would be the most successful economy into he planet.
France is the better example to follow.
It has higher growth, is wealthier has better public services and owns its own resources.
.

12:42 am, May 29, 2010

 
OpenID spiritleveller said...

"Just reminds everyone of class hatred and Old Labour,absolutely pathetic in 2010"

The real class hatred in this country is the hatred of the middle class towards the hardworking majority and those who've fallen on hard times.

The dominant class seek to entrench their position not only by affording their own children unjustifiable advantages over others but by simultaneously resisting government spending on their children's peers, which attempts to level the playing field.

Real class hatred is treading on the fingers of those lower down the ladder instead of giving them a hand up.

David Laws, of course, would know all about such things. How much profit did his partner make at taxpayers' expense, £200,000?

8:55 am, May 31, 2010

 
OpenID spiritleveller said...

"Just reminds everyone of class hatred and Old Labour,absolutely pathetic in 2010"

The real class hatred in this country is the hatred of the middle class towards the hardworking majority and those who've fallen on hard times.

The dominant class seek to entrench their position not only by affording their own children unjustifiable advantages over others but by simultaneously resisting government spending on their children's peers, which attempts to level the playing field.

Real class hatred is treading on the fingers of those lower down the ladder instead of giving them a hand up.

David Laws, of course, would know all about such things. How much profit did his partner make at taxpayers' expense, £200,000?

8:56 am, May 31, 2010

 
OpenID spiritleveller said...

By the way, Wilfred, Suzanne Moore stood in the mayoral election against Jules Pipe, not the constituency election against Diane Abbott.

If somebody stands against a Labour incumbant, it's perfectly right that they should not be member of the Labour Party, on the basis that they are trying oust that party from power.

9:11 am, May 31, 2010

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I seem to have touched a bit of a raw nerve with Ryan.

Skinner has considerable merit as Ryan correctly points out.
However, I was merely making the point that he has voted for a number of things that I think were
wrong. It is quite possible that Skinner voted for things like identity cards reluctantly and against his better judgement. Nevertheless, he did vote for them.

It really is disingenous to suggest that looking at someone's actual voting record is to 'speak ill of someone in such a scornful manner'. And when has anybody ever been required to prove a negative?

2:18 pm, June 01, 2010

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Glad to see thwe admission that there should have been an enquiry, that there should have been no ID cards and so forth.

You see where you went wrong now?

As for Skinner not repealing anti-union legislation, I rather think the absolute majority of '97 onwards are far, far more to blame for that than the one. That's why Willie Walsh is repeatedly crying to the courts on specious grounds and being heard.

You should all hang your heads. Meanwhile, if you want to have a go at other Labour names, by all means, have a crack at Nye Bevan and Keir Hardie for two, you traitors

8:19 pm, June 02, 2010

 

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